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NeHoMaR · Jan 09, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Not saying it has to be an emote, but some kind of visual recognition would be nice

, other then title.

Like a halo in your head?

Ember010 · Jan 09, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

/signed

Great idea, im not doing the title myself buut...pve players should get an emote!!

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 09, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

/signed

Great Idea that has no faults, (aside from PvPers who wont like it since they will no longer be the only ones with special emotes) KooBD may not neccessaily show skill, but it shows experience, determination and time. Just the same as the Hero title line does.

Ung · Jan 09, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

/notsigned

15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers.

When 4th and 5th Campaigns come out everyone will be able to get KoaBD title just by finishing all missions without 100% map exploration. It means that almost EVERY semi-serious PvE-player will get emote?..

P.S. There should be only one title with emote - Rank.

The Silver Star · Jan 09, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

/notsigned

They have KoBD isnt that enough? Any nublet can get it easily :|

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 09, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by The Silver Star

They have KoBD isnt that enough? Any nublet can get it easily :|

And

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Originally Posted by Ung

/notsigned

15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers.

When 4th and 5th Campaigns come out everyone will be able to get KoaBD title just by finishing all missions without 100% map exploration. It means that almost EVERY semi-serious PvE-player will get emote?..

P.S. There should be only one title with emote - Rank.

anyone one can easily get fotm-wayed to get rank, infact if anything gaining a rank emote is alot simpler, and its possible to get in within much less than a day (if your lucky and/or skillful). While KoABD even by campaign 5 will still have taken that person numerious days to get protector of all 5 campaigns, just to get the lowest emote.

mikkel · Jan 09, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Ung

/notsigned

15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers.

This is a flawed argument. When you make a PvP character, you choose to forfeit a lot of the content of the game to have instant gratification. Using the fact that you can't get items from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense.

Cass · Jan 09, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by mikkel

This is a flawed argument. When you make a PvP character, you choose to forfeit a lot of the content of the game to have instant gratification. Using the fact that you can't get items from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense.

Funny.

"When you make a PvE character you choose to forfeit a lot of the endgame content of the game to have roleplaying gratification. Using the fact that you can't get an emote from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense."

Anyway. More titles, more emotes, more special promo items, minipets, hats, dye colors etc etc only results in a complete loss of any prestige you are trying to obtain, by simple inflation. Anet already adds them constantly, so that the squirrels keep running in their cages to get yet another item/title/emote.
Make the game better, add actual content, do skill balancing, add pvp maps... these prestige items are nothing but grind fuel; doing extremely boring things for the xxxth time. Don't try telling me how exhilarating the drunkard track is, or how fun it is to lick crooked walls to explore the last .01%s, it is not. Give me another Sorrow's Furnace-type place over a SnoreMaster (obtained by having your char in /sleep mode in towns for over 1000 hours) title. Or hey, update HA.

ToxicWasted · Jan 09, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.

mr_groovy · Jan 09, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by ToxicWasted

/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.

Tell me how a person without any skill gets a protector title? (Without paying for somebody with skill to do the mission + bonus / master for him ?).

Tell me how a person who decides after beating the game, and his exploration track is at 70% to go for 100%? (FYI gaining cartographer title involves more skills then just Guildwars. )

That's about skill. Now we are not even talking about hours spend achieving the title. Getting 100% on tyria takes a very long time. Getting from 99% to 100% took me a week getting every nook and cranny.

I woudn't call getting the first rank in Koabd easy. It takes time, some skill and dedication.

Wtf?Omfg!Bbq! · Jan 09, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

/notsigned

There's only one title, next to rank, that should get a emote. And thats Gladiator Title Track.

Ps. Before this is getting a battle between Pve and Pvp, I also do Pve...

jenkinsbrucec · Jan 09, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

on another note, i think there should be a $$$$ emote. they way i think this should work is u can unlock this by donating money to a npc and when that number is reached lets use 5 mill just for kicks the emote could be unlocked. there could be more then 1 emote for the more money u donate but i think this would be a good idea to show off, becuase its a pain to log and relog to show off all the weapons that u have

Ung · Jan 09, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

anyone one can easily get fotm-wayed to get rank, infact if anything gaining a rank emote is alot simpler, and its possible to get in within much less than a day (if your lucky and/or skillful).

If we do not talk about using runners while player is finishing missions for protector title, let's do not talk about experienced group deciding to invite new to HA player.
So. Imagine, new player comes to HA for the first time (maybe he played PvE or random arenas a lot). The way from "Warrior/Monk LVL 20 LF battle (can heal if need)" to "R3 (mo (rc, woh, zb, boon prot, bonder, aoe), Me (migraine, e-surge, PD), R (RaO, CG, barrage)) LF R3+ balanced (TS on)" can't be passed by 1 month without any help.
Earning Protector title - is mission completion. Earning Rank title is Learning, Learning and Learning. It is a fundamental difference, that can't be calculated in hours or days.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Best Regards,
Ung

mikkel · Jan 09, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Cass

Funny.

"When you make a PvE character you choose to forfeit a lot of the endgame content of the game to have roleplaying gratification. Using the fact that you can't get an emote from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense."

You know, I was expecting someone to be short-sighted enough to post something like that.

Fame can be gained by PvE characters. They don't forfeit anything but PvP items. 15k can't be gained by PvP characters. This discussion is about simply expanding the amount of titles with associated emotes.

Using the lack of intentionally skipped content on PvP accounts as an argument against adding an emote to a global title attainable by both PvP and PvE characters, like the Hero title, is like saying "This is my ball. It was easier to get for me than you, and you shouldn't be able to easily get a ball for yourself for doing something else because I like my ball and you're not allowed to have one".

Please, think your replies through.

heroajax1 · Jan 09, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

/signed

I wouldn't go so far as t say an emote, but some visualization other than the title display would be nice.

freekedoutfish · Jan 09, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by ToxicWasted

/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.

Its really that easy to get KOABD? Wow i hadnt realise what with it taking me about 16 months of hard grafting to get 100% on each campaign and protector.

16 months of staring blindly at maps and finding bits I missed.
16 months of doing missions repeatadly to get corners I couldnt reach.
16 months of trying to get parties together to help cos AI wouldnt do.

16 months attempting missions to get protector.
16 months of frustration and hitting my head off walls.

Yeah... was easy.

Yes I realise you can leach missions and yes I realise you can get run around maps. But neither is that simple. Timed missions in factions cannot be leached as you need everyone in the team to help. Exploration cannot just be run, as you wont get the maps coverage and you need to get into every corner.

That means taking on huge mobs personally. It means dying continually and having the induarance to go back. It means using tactics and get into areas you cant normally get to (top corner of shiros mission).

That may be easy for warriors or rangers or 55 monks or necro MMs, but trying that with an elemental or some other profession who doesnt have an edge, and its alot harder.

Exploration is not something to be scoughed at, otherwise everyone would have 100% on maps, so where are all the grandmasters?

I can only assume you either have it, and your a warrior and found it easy for obvious reasons, or you dont have it, and your just too lazey to try to do it. But your excuse is "its easy to get" despite not trying.

kimahri · Jan 09, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

/signed, I have a good friend in the guild who has been working hard getting KoaBD and FoW for his Rit and he's got FoW and should have the title any day soon and I know how much work he's put into it. I have to say that yeah, this would be nice, and as has been mentioned adding more normal emotes would be nice also

Bryant Again · Jan 09, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

The title is the reward in itself.

/not signed

Cass · Jan 09, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by mikkel

You know, I was expecting someone to be short-sighted enough to post something like that.

Fame can be gained by PvE characters. They don't forfeit anything but PvP items. 15k can't be gained by PvP characters. This discussion is about simply expanding the amount of titles with associated emotes.

Using the lack of intentionally skipped content on PvP accounts as an argument against adding an emote to a global title attainable by both PvP and PvE characters, like the Hero title, is like saying "This is my ball. It was easier to get for me than you, and you shouldn't be able to easily get a ball for yourself for doing something else because I like my ball and you're not allowed to have one".

Please, think your replies through.

I see my little paraphrase got you a tad hot under the collar.

In fact it was your own argument that was shortsighted, as I illustrated by turning it around.

My own arguments against a new emote are based on the title/prestige inflaction it would result in, but they did not make your quote somehow.

mikkel · Jan 09, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Cass

I see my little paraphrase got you a tad hot under the collar.

In fact it was your own argument that was shortsighted, as I illustrated by turning it around.

My own arguments against a new emote are based on the title/prestige inflaction it would result in, but they did not make your quote somehow.

I'm afraid that you're flattering yourself if you believe that I was at all fazed by an anticipated and thoroughly predictable reply.

Actually, what you did wasn't turning my argument around. My argument was based on the notion that not supporting the idea based on the argument that PvP characters can't get 15k armour is stupid, as you willingly give up exactly that content when you make a PvP character, in order to sidestep grinding. Since PvE characters -can- infact gain fame, my argument is not reversible, despite of your attempts.

I honestly hope that you're joking when you're saying that I didn't cover your argument of "prestige" in my post, or that you just didn't read that whole "ball" analogy, because otherwise, you seem like a little boy hiding behind big words.

If you look real close, you'll see that I'm saying precisely the same thing I said last in my last post. I'm hoping that a more thorough wording will get the message across. I'm not posting this again.